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The Massive Two Decade Red State Shitholes Murder Problem
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Patron Joe
2023-07-05 18:21:58 UTC
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https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem


The murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Donald Trump has
exceeded the murder rate in the 25 states that voted for Joe Biden in
every year from 2000 to 2020. Over this 21-year span, this Red State
murder gap has steadily widened from a low of 9% more per capita red
state murders in 2003 and 2004 to 44% more per capita red state
murders in 2019, before settling back to 43% in 2020. Altogether, the
per capita Red State murder rate was 23% higher than the Blue State
murder rate when all 21 years were combined. If Blue State murder
rates were as high as Red State murder rates, Biden-voting states
would have suffered over 45,000 more murders between 2000 and 2020.
Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed,
overall murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than
Biden-voting states across this 21-year period and were higher in 18
of the 21 years observed.

Republicans have made crime a major selling point over the past several
elections. In 2020 and 2022, they ran ads accusing Democratic candidates
of wanting to “defund the police”– a position held by only a handful of
fringe Democratic officeholders. In October 2022, one-quarter of ads from
Republican candidates and PACs focused on crime. Republican-aligned Fox
News aired, on average, 141 segments on crime across weekdays in the two
months leading up to the midterms. In the week after the midterm, their
coverage of violent crime dropped by 50%.

In March of 2022, we released a report that found murder rates in 2020
were 40% higher in Trump-voting states than Biden-voting states. In this
follow-up report, we studied homicide data going back to 2000 to see if
this one-year Red State murder epidemic was an anomaly. It was not.
Despite a media narrative to the contrary, a wide and widening Red State
murder gap has spanned the past two decades.

In this study, we collected homicide data from 2000 through 2020 for all
50 states from the Center of Disease Control Wonder’s National Center for
Health Statistics Mortality Data. Data is based on death certificates
collected by state registries and provided to the National Vital
Statistics System. We chose CDC data over FBI data because it’s more up to
date and does not rely on voluntary reporting from counties and states.
All states are required to report mortality data to the CDC; they’re only
encouraged to report crime data to the FBI. The United States Department
of Justice has acknowledged that CDC data is more accurate. (There were
four states with several years of missing data–New Hampshire, North
Dakota, Vermont, and Wyoming. In these instances, we relied on FBI numbers
from the Uniform Crime Statistics.)1 To allow for comparison, we
calculated the state’s per capita murder rate, the number of murders per
100,000 residents, and categorized states by their presidential vote in
the 2020 election, resulting in an even 25-25 state split.

We found that the murder rate in Trump-voting states has exceeded the
murder rate in Biden-voting states every year this century. Cumulatively,
overall murder rates since 2000 were on average 23% higher in Trump-voting
states. For the past 21 years, the top 10 murder rate states have been
dominated by reliably red states, namely Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama,
and Missouri. Even when we removed the county with the largest city in
Trump-voting states (and kept them in for Biden-voting states), murder
rates were still significantly higher in these red states.

And while media reports give the impression that murder rates are
skyrocketing in blue areas, murder rates have actually increased at far
higher rates in Trump-voting states over the past two decades, widening
the Red State murder gap from a low of 9% in 2003 and 2004 to a high of
44% in 2019, before falling to 43% in 2020. Since 2000, murder rates have
increased 39.4% in red states and just 13.4% in blue states.

There is a media and political narrative that crime is a Democratic
problem, occurring mostly in big blue cities and fueled by lax policies.
While murder is by no means the only crime in America, it is the most
serious. And as far as murder is concerned, it is a bigger problem in red
states than blue states and only becoming more so. As we noted in our last
report, Republicans do a much better job blaming others for crime than
actually stopping it. The murder rate in Trump-voting states has exceeded
Biden-voting states every year this century.

Despite the “Democrat-caused crime crisis,” murder rates in Trump-voting
states have been higher than Biden-voting states every single year this
century (see graph below). In 2000, the murder rate in Trump-voting states
was 6.35 per 100,000 residents compared to Biden states’ 5.47 per 100,000
residents, 16% higher. At its lowest, in 2003 and 2004, murder rates in
Trump states were 9% higher than in Biden states. At its highest, in 2019,
murder rates in Trump states were 44% higher than in Biden states.

Overall, when looking at 2000-2020, murder rates were on average 23%
higher in Trump states. The average murder rate in Trump states between
2000 and 2020 was 6.44 per 100,000 residents compared to 5.23 per 100,000
residents in Biden states. If Biden states had the same murder rate as
Trump states, they would have seen 5,000 more murders in 2020 alone.
Between 2000 and 2020, they would have suffered an additional 45,400
murders.

If Biden states had the same murder rate as Trump states, they would have
seen 5,000 more murders in 2020 alone. Between 2000 and 2020, they would
have suffered an additional 45,400 murders.

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The top 10 murder rate states are increasingly dominated by Trump-voting
states.

Solidly red states have dominated the top 10 murder rate states for the
past decade—some for each of the last 21 years. Louisiana had the highest
murder rate in the country from 2000 to 2018, until it was surpassed by
Mississippi. Before becoming the state with the highest murder rate in
2019, Mississippi held the number two spot for 16 years between 2000 and
2018. Alabama has been in the top 5 for 20 out of the last 21 years. South
Carolina has been in the top 10 for each of the past 21 years. All of
these states have voted for the Republican presidential candidate in every
election since 2000. The red states of Arkansas, Tennessee, and Missouri
have also consistently been in the top 10 since 2004.

A handful of Biden states have as well, but not to the same degree as
Trump states. Maryland has been among the top 10 for 20 out of 21 years,
New Mexico for 16 years, and Georgia for 10 years. States often mentioned
in the media as crime havens, like California and New York, have not
graced the top 10 once. New York has never even been in the top 25 for
murder rates this century.

Between 2000 and 2010, red states and blue states roughly split the top
10, with four or five of the states being blue. But after 2010, murder
rates fell in blue states relative to red states. Beginning in 2011, red
states have held 7 or 8 spots in the top 10 every year.

The murder rate gap between Trump and Biden states has widened over the
course of two decades.

Murder rates in Trump states have been increasing at much higher rates
than Biden states. Back in 2000, murder rates in Trump states were 16%
higher and fell to a 9% gap in 2003 and 2004. By 2007, the Red State
murder gap reached 20% and would exceed 20% in every year but one
thereafter. In 2014, the Red State murder gap exceeded 30% for the first
time (32% in 2014) and would remain above that threshold throughout. The
Red State murder gap crossed the threshold of 40% in 2019, when murder
rates in Trump states were 44% higher than Biden states, before receding
slightly to 43% in 2020.

Over the period studied, murder rates jumped 39.4% in Trump-voting states
(6.35 murders/100,000 population in 2000 to 8.84/100,000 in 2020). Murder
rates increased just 13.4% in Biden-voting states (5.47 murders/100,000
population in 2000 to 6.20/100,000 in 2020).

Ironically, as the media frenzy over “soft on crime” Democrats reached its
peak, the Red State murder gap widened to its deepest gulch, contrary to
the popular narrative.

Ironically, as the media frenzy over “soft on crime” Democrats reached its
peak, the Red State murder gap widened to its deepest gulch, contrary to
the popular narrative.

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Even when large cities are removed from red states, murder rates are still
higher.

Some on the right argue that murder rates in red states are higher because
of the blue cities in those red states. Of course, blue states have more
blue urban areas than red states. That is what makes most states blue. The
fact is that murder rates have increased in urban, suburban, and rural
areas.

But to answer these critics, we performed an exercise to give red states a
special boost. For this exercise, we removed all of the murders in the
county with the largest city for 19 of 25 red states. In six rural red
states home to no cities with large numbers of murders, this calculation
was not possible based on available CDC data.2 Blue states would get no
such advantage. But even with the largest city removed from red states,
the Red State murder gap persisted.

Over the course of the full 21 years between 2000 and 2020, the Red State
murder rate was still 12% higher than the Blue State murder rate, even
when murders in the largest cities in those red states were removed. And
the murder rate was still higher in 18 of 21 years.

Between 2010 and 2020, even after removing New Orleans and Jackson,
Louisiana and Mississippi continued to hold the number one and two spots
for highest murder rates. Alabama, Kentucky, Missouri, South Carolina, and
Tennessee were still consistently in the top 10 after removing their
largest city.

In 2020, the states with the highest murder rates stayed roughly the same
after making this change: Mississippi in first, then Louisiana, Alabama,
South Carolina, Missouri, Illinois, Maryland, Arkansas, Tennessee, and
Georgia. Why are Murder Rates Persistently Higher in Red States?

Crime and murder are complicated issues that are, unfortunately, ripe for
demagoguery. This paper is not intended to provide definitive causes for
the growing and persistent Red State murder gap; rather it is meant to
show that it exists. But here are some thoughts on why red states have
higher murder rates.

Guns: Gun ownership rates are far higher in red states than blue
states. Studies have estimated that gun ownership rates are as much as
twice as high in a typical red state than a typical blue state. Since
79% of all homicides are committed with a firearm, it stands to reason
that more guns will produce more murders, not less. Poverty: Studies
have found a correlation between poverty and violent crime. Red states
tend to have higher poverty rates than blue states. Educational
Attainment: Those who have a high school diploma or less tend to be
overrepresented among victims and perpetrators of homicide.
Increasingly, there is an educational attainment gap between red and
blue states as well. Social Service and Police Resources: Despite
accusations that Democrats “defund the police,” we found that cities
with Democratic mayors fund police at far higher levels on a per
capita basis than cities run by Republican mayors. In 2020, the 25
largest Democrat-run cities spent 38% more on policing per capita than
the 25 largest Republican-run cities. In addition, blue states may be
more likely to fund social service programs that help steer people
away from violent crime than red states.

Conclusion

On a typical day, about 65 Americans are murdered. If we watch the cable
networks, we’re likely to hear about one of them. The one that is chosen
often fits a narrative that is as familiar as it is shallow. It may cohere
with a political point a network wants to make – chaos in Democratic
cities, an illegal immigrant committing a brazen and lethal act. Usually,
it’s a murder in New York City or Los Angeles, two cities that actually
have murder rates far lower than many states.

These crime stories aren’t inaccurate, but they are curated. And when we
see them every day they create an impression of crime and murder in
America that tells only a part of the story. When we released “The Red
State Murder Problem” in March 2022 showing that murder rates in
Trump-voting states in 2020 were far higher than Biden-voting states, the
reaction was incredulity. That is because the news stories we see each day
tell us something different.

But the numbers don’t lie. It is our hope that with this report we can
create a more accurate political discussion about crime. And perhaps with
a more holistic political discussion, we can do more to actually reduce
violent and lethal crime. Methodology

We collected murder data for all 50 states from 2000 to 2020. Our primary
source was the Center of Disease Control Wonder’s National Center for
Health Statistics Mortality Data. We chose to use CDC data over FBI data
because it tends to be more accurate. This is because states are required
to report mortality data to the CDC while states are only encouraged to
report crime data to the FBI. As mentioned above, there were four states
that were missing a few years of data in the CDC database. New Hampshire
was missing data for 2002, North Dakota was missing data for 2001, 2002,
and 2008, Vermont was missing data for 2002 and 2009-2013, and Wyoming was
missing data for 2006 and 2010. For these, we used FBI data. Using the CDC
data and population data from the US Census Bureau, we calculated the per
capita murder rate for each state for every year. We split states into
“red” and “blue” states based on their vote in the 2020 Presidential
election—Trump versus Biden. For each year, we averaged the number of
homicides and populations for “red” and “blue” states and calculated the
average per capita murder rate. When we removed the largest cities from
red states, we removed the following counties: Alabama- Madison County
(Huntsville), Arkansas- Pulaski County (Little Rock), Kentucky- Jefferson
County (Louisville), Louisiana- Orleans Parish (New Orleans), Mississippi-
Hinds County (Jackson), Missouri- Jackson County (Kansas City), South
Carolina- Charleston County (Charleston), Tennessee- Davidson County
(Nashville), Alaska- Anchorage Borough (Anchorage), Florida- Duval County
(Jacksonville), Indiana- Marion County (Indianapolis), Kansas- Sedgwick
County (Wichita), Nebraska- Douglas County (Omaha), North Carolina-
Mecklenburg County (Charlotte), Ohio- Franklin County (Columbus),
Oklahoma- Oklahoma County (Oklahoma City), Texas- Harris County (Houston),
Utah- Salt Lake County (Salt Lake City), West Virginia- Kanawha County
(Charleston). The following states had less than 10 murders in their
largest city (the CDC doesn’t disclose murders under 10 for privacy
reasons): Idaho, Iowa, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota, and Wyoming.
Data is attached.
Just Wondering
2023-07-05 18:51:00 UTC
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https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
The murder rates are fueled by violence in Democratic-controlled
cities. Then you leave them out of the calculation, the murder
rates in predominantly Republican areas are relatively low.
Lou Bricano
2023-07-05 18:54:56 UTC
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Post by Patron Joe
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
The murder rates are fueled by violence in Democratic-controlled
cities.
First of all, Francis, that is bullshit. There are lots of rural shithole red
counties that have murder rates right up there with the cities, and I have
identified several of them in multiple states.

Secondly, Francis, the murder and other violence rates in Democratic-run cities
in red shithole states mostly exceed the rates in Democratic-run cities in blue
states. It's the states, you stupid polygamy-endorsing motherfucker. Red
shithole states enact policies and programs that worsen the violence rates
*throughout* their states.
Dead blue cities
2023-07-05 19:29:21 UTC
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Post by Patron Joe
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-probl
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The murder rates are fueled by violence in Democratic-controlled
cities.
First of all, Francis, that is bullshit.
Baltimore, St Louis (MO), East St Louis (IL) Chicago, Memphis, New
Orleans, New York City, San Francisco, Oakland, Portland, Seattle,
Minneapolis, Milwaukee, Gary, Kansas City, Charlotte, Louisville, and many
others disagree with you, Rudy.

There's no way you can obfuscate the true facts about Democrat controlled
cities.
Walton
2023-07-05 21:46:24 UTC
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You gut a rightist with a knife and he looks just like a nigger inside.
Just Wondering
2023-07-05 19:41:38 UTC
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Post by Patron Joe
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
The murder rates are fueled by violence in Democratic-controlled
cities.
First of all, that is bullshit.
Did someone have something intelligent to add?
Oh, it's only the Rude Calzoni in disguise.
Never mind.
Walton Burns
2023-07-05 21:44:53 UTC
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Rightwingers are niggers. They are the most inferior whites on earth.
Practically subhuman. I say string them up and if they die, they're
niggers.
Governor Swill
2023-07-06 03:04:32 UTC
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Post by Patron Joe
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
The murder rates are fueled by violence in Democratic-controlled
cities. Then you leave them out of the calculation, the murder
rates in predominantly Republican areas are relatively low.
More bullshit from the rabid right.

"Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall murder rates
in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states across this 21-year period
and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed."

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem

Louisiana and Mississippi lead the nation in murders.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state

Oklahoma (16th place) has a higher homicide rate than either New York or California.

"Oklahoma's violent crime rate is 458.58 offenses per 100,000 people, according to an
analysis of FBI data by World Population Review. New York has a violent crime rate of
363.76 per 100,000 people, while California's rate is 442.05 per 100,000 people."
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-violent-crime-rate-oklahoma-higher-new-york-1753467

Illinois has Chicago but it also has the ninth highest murder rate in the US behind such
states as Arkansas, Alabama and Missouri.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state

Top ten murder states: Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, South Carolina,
Alabama, Tennessee, Illinois and Maryland (tie), Georgia.

Speaking of large cities skewing state results, why aren't California and New York on this
list?

Because it isn't a blue city problem, it's a red state problem.

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max headroom
2023-07-07 02:04:12 UTC
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Post by Governor Swill
Post by Just Wondering
Post by Patron Joe
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
The murder rates are fueled by violence in Democratic-controlled
cities. Then you leave them out of the calculation, the murder
rates in predominantly Republican areas are relatively low.
More bullshit from the rabid right.
"Even when murders in the largest cities in red states are removed, overall
murder rates in Trump-voting states were 12% higher than Biden-voting states
across this 21-year period and were higher in 18 of the 21 years observed."
https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-two-decade-red-state-murder-problem
Louisiana and Mississippi lead the nation in murders.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state
In 2021, the District of Columbia did (30/100,000).
Post by Governor Swill
Oklahoma (16th place) has a higher homicide rate than either New York or California.
Oklahoma and New York both had two cities among the 100 Worst Cites by
Non-negligent homicide in 2019; California had eighteen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate
Post by Governor Swill
"Oklahoma's violent crime rate is 458.58 offenses per 100,000 people,
according to an analysis of FBI data by World Population Review. New York has
a violent crime rate of 363.76 per 100,000 people, while California's rate is
442.05 per 100,000 people."
https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-violent-crime-rate-oklahoma-higher-new-york-1753467
Comparing two very populous states to a Midwestern agricultural state?
Post by Governor Swill
Illinois has Chicago but it also has the ninth highest murder rate in the US
behind such states as Arkansas, Alabama and Missouri.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/murder-rate-by-state
Chicago is the *only* Illinois city to make the 100 Worst list, pushing Illinois
to #8 in 2021.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Post by Governor Swill
Top ten murder states: Louisiana, Missouri, Arkansas, Mississippi, South
Carolina, Alabama, Tennessee, Illinois and Maryland (tie), Georgia.
In 2021, Washington, D.C.; Mississippi; Louisiana; Alabama; New Mexico; South
Carolina; Missouri; Illinois; Maryland; and Tennessee.

Oh, lookee there-- at least four of those ten are deep blue.
Post by Governor Swill
Speaking of large cities skewing state results, why aren't California and New
York on this list?
Edibles?
Post by Governor Swill
Because it isn't a blue city problem, it's a red state problem.
It's a blue city problem, regardless of state. Your post compares blue states to
red states, not blue cities to red cities.

"Third Way does not provide city-by-city data for 2020 in its report, perhaps
because this would undermine its red state murder narrative. But the Manhattan
Institute's Rafael Mangual gathered data on the 2020 murder rates in the 50
largest U.S. cities - 34 of which had Democratic mayors, while 14 were led by
Republicans (two were led by independents). 'The homicide rate in the blue
cities was 15.8 per 100,000, compared to 9.4 per 100,000 in the red cities,' he
found...."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/19/murder-rates-red-states-myth/
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